Comments on: When the conspiracy stares you in the face… http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/2009/12/31/when-the-conspiracy-stares-you-in-the-face/ Writer, game designer, filmmaker. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:25:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jonas http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/2009/12/31/when-the-conspiracy-stares-you-in-the-face/comment-page-1/#comment-1585 Jonas Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:25:53 +0000 http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/?p=1043#comment-1585 @Greg: I can fully understand what you mean. But given the magnitude of the intelligence apparatus, and the extreme way in which it operates, it seems unlikely to me that two really strong clues like this would not have been connected. They spend so much time tracking information, including information on innocent people, that missing this would be very hard. And I don't think it takes a vast conspiracy to make this sort of thing happen. It just takes a few people in the CIA more loyal to Dick Cheney than to their country. It's not like similar things have not happened before, worldwide. @Greg: I can fully understand what you mean. But given the magnitude of the intelligence apparatus, and the extreme way in which it operates, it seems unlikely to me that two really strong clues like this would not have been connected. They spend so much time tracking information, including information on innocent people, that missing this would be very hard.

And I don’t think it takes a vast conspiracy to make this sort of thing happen. It just takes a few people in the CIA more loyal to Dick Cheney than to their country. It’s not like similar things have not happened before, worldwide.

]]> By: Wolfgang DelaSangre http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/2009/12/31/when-the-conspiracy-stares-you-in-the-face/comment-page-1/#comment-1573 Wolfgang DelaSangre Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:25:02 +0000 http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/?p=1043#comment-1573 Incompetency isn't the issue, Greg. This was a conspiracy to shed bad light on the Obama administration and, by extension, the Democratic Party. Now, I don't like Obama very much, but after this, I like the right-wing even less. These weren't "mistakes" were deliberate. The goal is simple: Make Obama look bad so the American public doesn't vote Democrat in the following elections. Republicans get in, power is once again theirs, and they continue to prosper. If I can find a green peaceful spot on this earth where no one will bother me, I will fight tooth and nail to get there. Incompetency isn’t the issue, Greg. This was a conspiracy to shed bad light on the Obama administration and, by extension, the Democratic Party. Now, I don’t like Obama very much, but after this, I like the right-wing even less. These weren’t “mistakes” were deliberate.

The goal is simple: Make Obama look bad so the American public doesn’t vote Democrat in the following elections. Republicans get in, power is once again theirs, and they continue to prosper.

If I can find a green peaceful spot on this earth where no one will bother me, I will fight tooth and nail to get there.

]]> By: Gregory Weir http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/2009/12/31/when-the-conspiracy-stares-you-in-the-face/comment-page-1/#comment-1572 Gregory Weir Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:12:14 +0000 http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/?p=1043#comment-1572 I think this underestimates the incompetency of US government and similar interests. Our air traffic security is a joke, with policies more focused at looking busy than at actually stopping attacks. Our political system is so wildly adversarial that any conspiracy among legislators would be exposed for PR gain. Our foreign and domestic intelligence services hate each other. And Obama really has no need for a terrorist attack to justify war. On the other hand, even his policy with the most clear public mandate, health care, has only succeeded as a shadow of its intended form. As an American, I find it much, much more believable that the government was too incompetent to connect the dots than that elements in the government were somehow able to pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude. I think this underestimates the incompetency of US government and similar interests. Our air traffic security is a joke, with policies more focused at looking busy than at actually stopping attacks. Our political system is so wildly adversarial that any conspiracy among legislators would be exposed for PR gain. Our foreign and domestic intelligence services hate each other. And Obama really has no need for a terrorist attack to justify war. On the other hand, even his policy with the most clear public mandate, health care, has only succeeded as a shadow of its intended form.

As an American, I find it much, much more believable that the government was too incompetent to connect the dots than that elements in the government were somehow able to pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude.

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